minstrel: first message on the list & a query

Pat Yarrow yarrowp at mscd.edu
Mon Feb 27 07:24:09 PST 2006

It's not a bad idea at all, but then you need to take it a step further and
*identify* the melody thus extracted.  You needn't stay with the 15th
century, or France, for that matter.

Another tune that had "mass appeal" is the late 15th century English secular
song "Western Wynde," which appears in masses by Taverner, Tye and Sheppard.
Lyrics for the song:

'Westron wynde, when wilt thou blow, 
The small raine down can raine. 
Cryst, if my love were in my armes 
And I in my bedde again!'

Happy hunting.


-----Original Message-----
From: minstrel-bounces at pbm.com [mailto:minstrel-bounces at pbm.com] On Behalf
Of Kevin Brock
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:24 PM
To: minstrel at pbm.com
Subject: minstrel: first message on the list & a query

Hi there. My good friend and master, Efenwealt, had suggested I join the 
list because there was some interesting discussion going on.

Having seen a bit of a lull, I thought I'd pose a question that had 
intrigued me, but it's in part because my music background isn't extensive 
enough to know whether or not my idea is cockamamie or not.

The notion is this: in the 15th century "L'homme arme" masses, the tenor is 
the melody of the tune "L'homme arme" itself. Is it possible to look at some

contemporary masses and: 1) extract the tenor part so that 2) we can perhaps

speed up or manipulate the tenor part into creating a viable melody, 
separate from the mass? Think of it as a musical reverse-engineering, of 
sorts. I keep meaning to test this out to see if I can come up with 
potential melodies to songs, but I haven't had time recently.

I recognize that this idea may be 100% crap - my focus is generally on 
medieval poetry rather than music theory. However - I thought I'd pose the 
question to you anyway, to see what you all think.

Olivier de Bayonne

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