minstrel: help with OE
taliesin_o at juno.com
Thu Feb 15 13:42:23 PST 2001
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:26:12 +0000 "J.A.McGowan"
<sela at goshawk.clara.co.uk> writes:
> Praetlic is thes pealstan; pyrde gebraecon,
> burgstede burston, brosnadd enta gepeorc.
> Hrofas sins gehrorene, hreorge torras,
> hrungeat berofen, hrim on lime,
> scearde scurbeorge scorene, gedorene,
> Aeldo undereotone. Eorddgrop hafadd
> paldendpyrhtan, forpeorone, geleorene
> heard gripe hrusan, oth hund cnea
> pertheoda gepitan. Oft thaes pag gebad,
> raeghar and readfah, rice aefter othrum,
> ofstondem under stormum; steap geap gedreas.
This from a friend of mine (not SCA, but currently studying OE and a few
other Germanic dialects):
> "This piece is legit. It is from Codex Exoniensis. A collection of
> Anglo-Saxon poetry, from a MS. in the library of the Dean and
> Chapter of Exeter, by Benjamin Thorpe, London, 1842. I think
> this would be folio 124a, page 476"
He's also offered to try to translate, but has said there may be some
mis-spellings: line 3 may read:
> Hrofas sind gehrorene (not sins) "Roofs are fallen...
> I think there are some spelling problems here -- there are letters
> in Old English that resemble modern letters but are entirely different.
> One OE w, and one of the two letters for th both can be difficult to
> distinguish from the letter that is now w. The other th letter can be
> confused with the modern d.
That part was mostly for me, since I have no knowledge of Anglo-Saxon.
(Persona comment: "What would a good Welshman be doing reading the vile
scrawlings of that horrid people?" <g>)
> Did he find this as part of a manuscript in Insular Miniscule script?
> (looks like Celtic script)
> It appears indeed to be Old English. I can say that it is a
> poem, written in the same form as Beowulf, alliterative
> verse, lines in two parts, connectected by the alliteration
> Poetry is much more difficult to accurately translate than
> prose. I'll see what I can do, but if your friend has any other
> clues they would be helpful.
Justin W. Eiler -- "Veritas Versus Mundi"
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