fwd: Re: minstrel: Looking for/ Many harps

[mn13189 at WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU]

> And as a by-the-way: it's not so much the rosy-romantic _conclusion_
> that is bothersome, it's the lack of detail in most rosy-romantic
> looks at Celtic music. To give a recent example (and not just to pick
> on Efenwalt), a good way of summarizing Griogal Cridhe's origin is
> "written about events that happened in 1570, music collected in the
> early 19th century." You might then conclude that it was written in
> 1570, or not, but either way, you don't want to only say "Griogal
> Cridhe, 1570". If you needed to be concise, perhaps you could say
> "Griogal Cridhe, arguably 1570". Most rosy-romantic writers tend to
> say things like "Griogal Cridhe, 1570", and never mention that there's
> a quite legitimate argument over the date.

Actually, that was me, not Efenwealt.  ;-)  But you can pick on me, I'm
used to it.  I think what hurts a lot of research are the romantic, rosy
coloured sources as well.  Take Griogal Cridhe, for instance.  The reason
I was passing on the 1570 date was because the recording I learned it
from, from award winning Gaelic singing group mac-talla, credits it as
being from 1570 and cried it as one of the earlist Scots Gaelic songs we
have record of.  Maybe that's how they learned it as well.  But me, the
little Carolina boy, I assumed these guys knew their business, and I felt
good in passing Griogal Cridhe around as a period tune.  Later research,
that you pointed me in the direction of, casts shadows of doubt on that
date.  I think the method you described abover would be best.

And as a PS to Greg, could you please change my subscription to this list
to the address eoganog at aol.com?  After May 15th, I will no longer be
receiving any mail at this account.
Aye,
Eogan Og


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