minstrel: Re: possible misuse of list and some on-topic stuff

[Fred (Flieg) Hollander]

At 07:14 PM 3/22/99 +0000, J.A.McGowan wrote:
>At 09:14 AM 3/22/99 -0800, Fred (Flieg) Hollander wrote:
>
>  Also, how resistent are you in your writings to 
>>false rhymes?  I've been doing a number of them recently and have come to
>some
>>conclusions, but would like to hear of other people's experience with the
>form.
>>

   Are we talking the same form here?  The singular is rondeau in the book
that I read. (I'm asking because I haven't done a lot of reasearch on it, 
just read a couple in English by Charles d'Orleans, liked the form and
went with it.)

   OK, for the clarification of the matter.
   Rondeau: Apparently written in iambic tetrameter, but possibly only lines
of eight syllables. (Mine have been mostly in iambic tetrameter, but I found
it hard to scan some of the originals without using non-iambs.)
     
     repeating couplet, rhymed a,b

     two quatrains -- first rhymed baab  second rhymed abba  

(here's where I 
was getting to with my question about false rhymes (which I suspect would 
translate to "flat" in French).

   So -- couplet
         quatrain
         couplet
         quatrain
         couplet.

  Challenge -- try to say something and get the rhymes straight.

>Haven't written a rondel in ages; however, I was taught about rhymes in
>French poetry, which classes them as rich, sufficient, or "flat," depending
>on how much of the word rhymes with its schematic predecessor.  "Flat"
>rhymes aren't posh, but they work.  Do you know, I never bothered to learn
>the rules in English?

   

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