hist-games: Thomas Hyde's Chinese hunt game
mwi9 at swipnet.se
Thu May 3 05:52:30 PDT 2012
At Robert's suggestion I added the rule that Rebels cannot go
backwards. With these rules, it is a surprisingly good and
well-balanced hunt game. The Rebels win, but with heavy losses. It is
a nice finding. Murray's rendition of this game doesn't work.
----- Original Message -----
From: "M Winther" <mwi9 at swipnet.se>
To: <hist-games at www.pbm.com>; "reid robert" <reidrobert7 at yahoo.fr>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: hist-games: Thomas Hyde's Chinese hunt game
> After reviewing the rules, Robert and I have made some interesting
> changes. "Deferred intervention capture" is introduced and "static
> intervention capture" can always be executed, provided that the
> General lacks freedoms, as in the initial position. So this game
> introduces two novelties, and it functions finely. Deferred
> intervention capture: if the General is located between two enemy
> pieces, he captures them both by moving away.
> In his book, Hyde clearly defines the static intervention capture.
> Evidently, deferred intervention capture is related to the static
> version. It's the same pieces that are captured, namely those that
> surround the General where it is positioned. So it is quite possible
> that this is the type of capture that he meant, rather than normal
> intervention capture. In both cases it is the "from" square which
> defines which pieces are to be captured. Thus, the General can only
> capture pieces by *being* between them, not *going* between them.
> rule of deferred intervention capture is substantiated by the fact
> that we are told that the General 'semper facit' ("always does so" -
> captures, i.e.). In this sense, capture is compulsory as it is
> automatic, but not in the sense of modern checkers (which would seem
> too modern).
> More information and a Zillions program here:
> Mats Winther
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M Winther" <mwi9 at swipnet.se>
> To: <hist-games at www.pbm.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: hist-games: Thomas Hyde's Chinese hunt game
>> These rules are so good so I decided to publish this program.
>> for solving this little mystery.
>> Note that the Rebels can also win by stalemating the General in a
>> corner at the right side of the board. However, they cannot
>> at a bottom corner, because the General wins if he can get to the
>> bottom row. These rules can be discussed and altered, but I see no
>> other option than to include a corner stalemate rule.
>> Mats Winther
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "reid robert" <reidrobert7 at yahoo.fr>
>> To: <hist-games at www.pbm.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:51 PM
>> Subject: hist-games: Thomas Hyde's Chinese hunt game
>> Dear Members,
>> In his De Ludis Orientalibus Thomas Hyde describes a Chinese game
>> the 'hunt' variety which he calls 'Ludus Subjugandi Rebelles'. I've
>> attempted to derive some playable rules for the game from Hyde's
>> description - see pdf at:
>> I hope it's of some interest to you.
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