hist-games: Re : Daldos

reid robert reidrobert7 at yahoo.fr
Fri Apr 2 15:14:28 PDT 2010


Dear Peter,

Many thanks for this message: it would certainly be nice to come to the the Brugge colloquium.

My etymology was very tentative, and I wouldn't want to defend it in the face of the evidence you mention. The lack of any written reference to the (name of the) game in the British isles is a problem, even if turns out that we now have three boards/diagrams. It may be, of course, that all three are in some way of non-British provenance, and that the game was only a sporadic importation from across the channel and never widely played. As I suggested earlier, old works on folklore and local dialect glossaries may yet yield something - perhaps one should start with the letter 'D'!

Best wishes,

Robert.




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I will also thank Jon for these interesting references.
If you have not signed up for the Board Studies Colloquium in Paris already, I hope that you might participate in Br?gge, Belgium, next year.
It would be nice to have some papers about this interesting subject.

Concerning etymology.
Already H. Billeskov Jansen in his article "Dald?s" from 1927 suggested Latin 'talus' as a possible origin of 'dal'.
More than 10 years ago Alf N?sheim in a letter to me suggested a connection between 'dal' and the English dialect word "dally", which he found in a book by Gomme.
Shortly after this, Thierry Depaulis and I found the references to 'daly' in the Oxford English Dictionary.
I was in contact with a Danish linguist, Viggo S?rensen, Aarhus University, when we wrote our articles to BGS 4, 2001.
He warned that it may be impossible to detect the correct etymology of 'dald?s', but found our proposal to have a high degree of probability.
I do not agree with the proposal that the last part of the name: 'd?s' or 'dos' had the meaning 'dice'. It seems more likely, in my opinion, that
it meant 'two' or 'double'. Alf N?sheim mentioned in a letter to me that the expression 'dal d?s' was used in a place in J?ren, Norway, when a 'double dal' had been thrown. This fits well with similar usage in Scandinavian: 'sinka dus', originally referring to the dice throw 5,2.

All the best.
Peter Michaelsen

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Jon,

Many thanks indeed for these interesting references. I'll try and get a copy of Croft's datasheet which contains the Buckinghamshire reference. I'd be interested in the Novgorod one too!

All the best,

Robert.



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