hist-games: Tibetan Gundru

M Winther mwi9 at swipnet.se
Mon Mar 8 12:11:03 PST 2010

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From: "M Winther" <mwi9 at swipnet.se>
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Subject: Re: hist-games: Tibetan Gundru

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "P Shotwell" <pshotwell at gmail.com>
> To: <hist-games at www.pbm.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:08 PM
> Subject: hist-games: Tibetan Gundru
>> Hello Mat,
>> No, it isn't. In fact, I'm doing a paper that will soon be posted in
>> the Bob High Library of the American Go Association
>> (www.usgo.org/bobhighlibrary) that reviews some of the history (and
>> also mistaken history) of custodian capture games dating back to
>> Classical Greek (if not Egyptian) times. I think it is logical to
>> think the principles of the game might have come to Tibet via the
>> Greek colony of Bactria and been adapted to be played on go boards.
>> BTW, its more common name in Tibet is Mig-mang (not Ming-mang), which
>> is also the name of Tibetan go. It means 'many eyes' and refers to the
>> design of the board.
>> Peter Shotwell
> Peter,
> Thanks for the information. The existent references to Mig-mang and 
> Ming-mang (e.g. Wikipedia) say that only *one* piece can be intercepted 
> (which allows a maximum of three pieces to be captured at a time). 
> Moreover, capture can *not* occur over corners.
> In Gundru, on the other hand, several stones in a line can be captured by 
> interception, and capture can occur over corners.
> Are the Ming-mang rules incorrectly described, or are these different 
> games? The Gundru rules seem much more logical. Mig-mang must be 
> a tedious game. I doubt it is possible to get a winning advantage.vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
> (Surely the Go capture must have developed from the interception 
> capture(?))vvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
> Mats Winther

Also, Mig-mang is a territorial game, according to Wikipedia. One must 
conquer more than 50% of the territory, and it is explicitly said that one 
can only make one-stone interception capture. So it seems clear that 
Gundru is a game in its own right. Thanks to P. Michaelsen, who sent me the details from a book about Tibet:


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