hist-games: alea evangelii

M Winther mwi9 at swipnet.se
Fri Jun 27 09:30:42 PDT 2008


Den 2008-06-27 18:23:53 skrev Jon at Gothic Green Oak <jon at gothicgreenoak.co.uk>:

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>
> With the exception of the 9x9 tafl game, which is recorded ethnographically
> with its well known starting position and alea evangelii as shown in the
> 9th/11th/12 C manuscript the layout of the 7x7, 11x11 and 13x13  is entirely
> conjectural. Excepting the 7z7 tafl game which is too small for much
> variation, if the 11x11 and 13x13 boards (and possibly the 15x15 board form
> Coppergate) were laid out so that  instead of the four separate camps of
> attackers there was a more open layout along the lines of alea evangelii do
> you think this would make a difference to the length of the game and the
> frequency of wins by either side? Without having attempted this I imagine it
> would disadvantage the king but lengthen the game making it possibly a more
> even and interesting game (king unarmed)  - has anyone tried this?
>
> jon
>


It is easy to test any initial setup with my program. Just right-click, remove or place
new pieces. The setups which I present work finely, with the Swedish rules. While
they are symmetrical they have probably been used historically.

Mats



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> Den 2008-06-27 07:11:59 skrev Damian Walker <damian at snigfarp.karoo.co.uk>:
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>> Quoting M Winther's message of Yesterday:
>>
>>> So how old is Alea Evangelii? Is it really from the tenth century?
>>
>> I have no reason to disbelieve that it's a 10th century game, that we're
>> seeing through a 12th century manuscript.  The 12th century manuscript
>> could be a copy of an earlier (e.g. 10th century) one, or it could be a
>> new work based on an earlier source.  The 10th century date, by the way,
>> comes from the mention in the manuscript that the game comes from king
>> Athelstan's court - his reign was 925-940 (sometimes given as 924-939,
>> I'm not sure which is the modern thinking).
>>
>
>
> I have made a Zillions implementation of Alea Evangelii according to the
> reconstruction of Tablut rules by M. Skoglund, Historisk Form, and I.
> Lindström,
> The Historical Museum, Stockholm. These are the rules used in tournaments in
> Sweden (whether they have held any tournaments, I don't know). I found that
> Brandubh (Irish), Large Hnefatafl (Norwegian), Tablut (Swedish), and Alea
> Evangelii (Saxon), all work finely with these rules. However, other variants
> seem to have used other rules.
> http://hem.passagen.se/melki9/tablut.htm
>
> Mats
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