hist-games: Holzroulette - modern or historical?

Cris cris at pastymegames.com
Thu Feb 9 14:28:13 PST 2006

Hey, thanks for your input, Paolo. I was hoping to find more specifics on
this roulette variant, but the chance game you pointed out looks

Anyone else have a take on Holzroulette/Deutsches Roulette?


|-----Original Message-----
|From: Pier Paolo Rinaldi [mailto:pierpaolo.rinaldi at gmail.com] 
|Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:07 AM
|To: Cris
|Subject: Re: hist-games: Holzroulette - modern or historical?
|hello Cris! My 2 cents:
|you may have a look at http://www.austrian-archives.at/ and 
|type "Kakelorum" in the search box. Here's the result:
|'Austrian folk art: "Kakelorum", a game of chance from Upper Austria.
|Woodwork, 1862.'
|Picture at: http://www.austrian-archives.at/View.aspx?id=1615
|May be part of the same family - although, from the picture, 
|it seems to me that you probably need marbles to play with it.
|2006/2/8, Cris <cris at pastymegames.com>:
|> I have recently obtained a game called Holzroulette. One of game's 
|> instructions called the game Deutsches Roulette, but the 
|packaging is 
|> calling it Holzroulette. No indication that either name is a 
|> proprietary or trademarked name. It's a small (about 10"), rougly 
|> square plate, with a concave round "dish" cutout where a top can be 
|> spun inside. Tiny balls are struck by the dradle-like nib of 
|the top and flung into divits and "pockets"
|> that each score differently. There is a red ball, a blue ball, and 
|> four white balls. All of the packaging is in German, but I have a 
|> friend who is fluent in German. There are game instructions 
|roughly as follows:
|> One to four persons play to a set number of points (typically 1000). 
|> The red ball scores double; the blue score is minus the 
|score it lands 
|> in. The remaining points are as-is. If you pocket every 
|ball, you get 
|> to spin again, otherwise, play goes to the next person. If you have 
|> over 900 points, only the red ball counts as a score (no word on 
|> whether the blue ball still subtracts points). Balls that 
|leave the field are dead for that spin.
|> What I would like to know is: how old is this game? Is it really of 
|> German origin? I assume it to be a relatively modern game (at least 
|> late 19th
|> century) and a variant of the standard roulette game, but I am only 
|> basing that on intuition. I can find no documentation 
|covering this game.
|> An image of the game can be seen here:
|> http://woodexpressions.com/499009.jpg
|> ~Cris
|> It's okay to let your mind go blank, but please turn off the sound...
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