hist-games: RE: hist-games Digest, Vol 3, Issue 5

John-Deb-Ronan john.brattan at hunterlink.net.au
Tue Mar 8 01:50:46 PST 2005


There were many Vikings that settled on the Isle of Man as evidenced by the
number of Viking burial sites and carved stones. A Chess piece find there
wouldn't necessarily be Celtic in origin.

Cheers,
DJBII

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   1. Re: Celtic "Chess" find?? (u.schaedler at museedujeu.com)
   2. Re: Celtic "Chess" find?? (SEDWilkins at aol.com)


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Date: Mon,  7 Mar 2005 10:36:37 +0100
From: u.schaedler at museedujeu.com
Subject: Re: hist-games: Celtic "Chess" find??
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If I remember correctly there is an old find of a medieval games piece from
the Isle of Man already published in one of Forbes's appendices "Chess among
the Irish" and discussed there as a chess piece.
Ulrich Schddler

Selon Chas <webmaster at historicgames.com>:

> I just got home from peddling our wares at a living history fair in 
> Wisconsin and had someone trying to tell me that there was a recent 
> grave find on the Isle of Man which included Chess pieces earlier than 
> had previously been known in Britain. He -insisted- it was evidence 
> that chess originated with the Celts -contrary to mainstream theories 
> about chess.
> 
> I assume he was perhaps confused by a Celtic game like Fidchell, or 
> Brandhu which, unfortunately, are occasionally referred to as "Celtic 
> chess", or mistakenly combining them with the Isle of Lewis Chessmen.
> 
> But, has anyone heard of a recent game find in connection with the 
> Isle of Man?
> 
> Chas
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:27:28 EST
From: SEDWilkins at aol.com
Subject: Re: hist-games: Celtic "Chess" find??
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Chas:

I haven't heard of any such find and a review of both the BBC and Current
Archaeology websites don't have any news even remotely similar. 

I'd bet he has Isle of Mann and Isle of Lewis mixed up . . . even though the
Lewis chessmen are hardly a "recent" find, there has been a lot of recent
press about them thanks to Harry Potter.

Sally Wilkins
Sports and Games of Medieval Cultures
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