hist-games: Multiple Subjects

Susan and Michael McKay seaan at concentric.net
Fri Feb 9 23:16:37 PST 2001


As the hist-games admin, I get a number of messages, that for some reason
don't make it to the list (many blocked by the "members only feature", be
glad you don't see all that spam).  Recently, there were a number of good
blocked messages, which I'm attaching here.

Michael McKay  (known in the SCA as Seaan McAy)


Subject: Re: hist-games: Backgammon and Others
References: < at localhost>

Jane & Mark Waks wrote:
> Ogedei wrote:
> >I am also searching for period rules and references for Ming-Mang and
> >Mishy-Mashy.
> Both games are described in Baron Sallaamallah's book, Medieval Games;
> ordering info can be found at:
>         http://waks.ne.mediaone.net/game-hist/justin_bib.html#salaamallah
> He describes them both as being rather Tafl-like, with long orthogonal
> moves and interception captures. (Also allowing capture of multiple
> pieces along a line at once, unlike Tafl.) He also says that captured
> pieces are replaced by the captor's color, a la Othello.
> Unfortunately, the book is basically devoid of footnotes, so I can't
> vouch for the accuracy of the reconstruction. But you might write to him
> directly and ask where he got the game from...
>                                 -- Justin

I found Ming Mang also in R.C. Bell's "The Board Game Book" (the big boxed
with the loose game sheets inderts) and he has it listed with relations to
but unfortunately he doesn't mention an age for it.


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Subject: Re: hist-games: Nine Men's Morris with dice?

Eva Grammer wrote:
> For this question, I must reference a webpage I was looking at:
> http://www.ahs.uwaterloo.ca/~museum/vexhibit/board/rowgames/mill.html
> This page showed an illustration from the Alphonso X book that showed
> two young men playing Morris with dice.  Does anyone know how this would
> have been done?  The museum article on the website did not give any
> further information.  Or is the Alphonso X book translated somewhere
> that might have the rules to play it with dice?
> Thanks!

Here's the rules for Morris with three dice we've found: During the first
phase of the game, rolls of 6-5-4, 6-3-3, 5-2-2, or 4-1-1 gave the thrower
right to capture a piece and break an opposing mill, in addition to adding a
new man to the board. If a new mill was also formed by this move, then two
opposing men were removed - one for the new mill and one for a winning dice
roll. Any other dice rolls did not count. The dice were set aside once all
the live men were placed on the board.

There are apparently a couple scholars currently working on an English
translation of the Book of Games, but no commercially available translations
yet as far as I've heard.

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From: Katheline van Weye=20
To: atenveldt at yahoogroups.com ; atenveldt at yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 7:01 PM
Subject: [aten] Period Games on the Web

While looking for the rules to Mancala, I ran across
some web pages that allow you to play some period
board games on the web (using your browser).  Java is
required for most of the games, I believe.  So if
you're looking for a refresher before the War, here
are some sites that will let you practice your skills.


Fox & Geese

Nine-Men's Morris


Yours in service,
Katheline van Weye


Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 14:36:29 -0600
From: Chas <charles at historicgames.com>
Reply-To: charles at historicgames.com
Subject: Gaming Hall Staff

This is a bit late in period for the list, but I thought it might be of
interest anyway. I've been reading "Hell & Hazard" by Henry Blyth, 1969.

It's a biography of William Crockford, the owner of one of London's largest
Social clubs/gaming halls which opened in 1828. One of the tidbits I found
interesting was a list of staff in a lower class gambling "hell":

  A Director to superintend the play.
  An Operator to deal the cards, and cheat the customers with
  Two Crowpees (croupiers) to watch the play and see the players do not
the Operator.
  Two Puffs to act as decoys by playing and winning high stakes, and thereby
luring the customers to place 'deep' wagers.
  A Clerk to see that the Puffs cheat only the customers, not the house.
  A Squib who was a trainee Puff.
  A Flasher, to talk loudly of the house's losses in hopes of encouraging
customers to play 'deep.'
  A Dunner to collect debts owed to the house bank.
  A Waiter to serve the players, and see they have more than enough to
and when necessary, to distract their attention when the house is cheating.
  An Attorney to advise the house in long-winded, Latin terms when the
legality of play is questioned.
  A Captain to defend the bank if a player should draw his sword.
  An Usher to light the way upstairs should a customer desire to relieve
himself, or take a break from gaming with one of the house wenches.
  A Porter, usually an ex-soldier, to stand on duty outside, and be on good
terms with the nightwatchmen and local soldiery.
  An Orderly Man to serve as look-out and warn the Porter if trouble with
law is afoot.
  A Runner to carry messages between the house and the courts when legal
involving gambling are being heard.
-And numorous part-time employees including link-boys, watchmen, chair men,
affidavit men, ruffians of all sorts, bailees, street urchins, pimps,
prostitutes, touts, and beggars.

"Chair men" would carry better-off patrons in sedan chairs, can anyone
"link-boys," "affidavit men," and "bailees" in this context?

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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:56:49 -0800
To: hist-games at pbm.com
From: gusgus at lightspeed.bc.ca (Heather )
Subject: "Tabloro" The Scottish Drinking Game

Greetings All,

  The reference in the discussion of Tablero de Jesus to it being turned
into a Scottish drinking game just makes me laugh. You see it probable that
this reference was actually intended to be to Tablero de Gucci, a drinking
game invented by my brother. My family has been in the SCA since January of
1975, and on our first trip to the "Central West Kingdom" the California Bay
Area in 1976 we were introduced to El Tablero de Jesus by Maelgwyn and
Merewyn de Lyonesse. We fell in love with the game and spread it liberally
throughout AnTir and many other parts of the Known World. When my brother,
Andre Lessard (Derek Stevens) grew older he and I were at a modern party
attended by mostly SCA people. My brother came up with the idea of replacing
the coins involved in Tablero de Jesus with shot glasses filled with drinks
of the players' choice. The game immediately caught on and has been spread
throughout the world by those who enjoy the game. The rules have been
modified as time has passed, but it still remains true to it's roots. If you
would like a copy of the rules please contact me.

  At Your Service,
  Melissa Kendal of Westmoreland/Heather Stecher

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