hist-games: New names, variants for lying dice game.
Christian Joachim Hartmann
lukian at Null.net
Tue Dec 2 19:30:58 PST 1997
I found another book containing that dice game "myer" or "mire",
played with two dice, where the main feature is that you may
lie about your results and the next player has to decide whether
to believe you or not.
It is the 'oldest' description I found so far, the book
being from 1977.
The book is about pub games and in its section about 'small'
dice games there are three games connected with the one recently
discussed on this mailing-list.
This game is called "Paschen", a "Pasch" being a double as
thrown by two dice. The object is to throw a higher
combination than everybody else. Doubles are higher than
singles, but the highest combination is 2-1, being
called "King". (Cf. the 4-2 being called "King Kong" in
a game where 4-2 is even higher than 2-1)
This is called "Lügenpasch", i.e. "lying double" and it is
basically the same as the above but for that lying or bluffing
A player shakes, then peeks under the box and announces any
combination, whether higher or lower or the same.
The next player has only two alternatives:
1. To accept and to shake the box without looking at his
2. To challenge his adversary by lifting the box and showing
the combination to all.
Scoring is as usual. One point setback for the caught liar or
the distrusting challenger.
This is called "Meier" or "General Meier". It is played with
It is not a bluffing game like "Lügenpasch". Aim is to throw
a higher combination than everybody else.
A "Meier" is every combination of the three dice with 2 and 1
and another number. Thus 2-1-6 "Meier 6" is highest and
2-1-1 "Meier 1" is lowest.
Higher than the "Meier"s are the Generals, from 6-6-6 'General 6',
the highest combination, to 1-1-1 'General 1'.
Below the Meiers rank the mixed combinations.
The intersting point is that the combination of a one and a two
is connected to the name "Meier" ( > "myer" ?).
Reference: Claus D. Grupp: Spiele für Theke + Stammtisch.
Niedernhausen/Taunus: Falken-Verlag 1977.
** Christian Joachim Hartmann
** lukian at Null.net
** christian.hartmann at uni-duesseldorf.de
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