OK, I'might have misunderstood what the previous poster meant and I apologize for that. 'Cidery' might, and for a good reason, include acetaldehyde. I should have understood that the Belgians, although they have high OG's in some of their beers do not add a high percentage of candy sugar to their brews. However I still fail to see how the addition of table sugar might impart a 'green apple' flavour to a brew. IMHO, excessive use of table sugar gives the final product a thin, off.flavourish taste, but not close to green apples. As I have learned from this list and others, the 'green apple' flavour comes from acetaldehyde aka 2,3-butadione and maleic acid supposedly adds a sort of butter scothc-isch feeling/smell to a brew. The reason I thought the green apple flavour came from maliec acid is a misunderstanding in Swedish. Trade names for chemicals isn't my strongest side. However, If I wre e to fermet an apple cider with lager yeats (say BC munich lager) at room temp, would this yield a high % of acetaldehyde ? If so I'd love to try and make some cider with lager yeast since it imparts some, IMHO, lovely cider flavors when fermenting at higher temps. /Angus MacIomhair _____________________________________________________________ Get your own mando cool and totally free email@iamawitch.com address at http://freemail.iamawitch.com today! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email to majordomo@pbm.com containing the words "unsubscribe hist-brewing" (or unsubscribe hist-brewing-digest, if you get the digest.) To contact a human about problems, send mail to owner-hist-brewing@pbm.com