hist-brewing: Re: Lars & Kumiss

Matt Maples Matt_lists at hotmail.com
Sat Aug 31 12:33:12 PDT 2002

Lars, how did I know your name would show up on this thread?? :-) What, no
stories about the cottage-cheese you have to rack off of that stuff??? Still
gives me the heebee-geebees thinking about it. When is a sample going to
show up at a Brew Crew meeting?? I've always been curious about it but never
brave enough to try and make it.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lars Hedbor" <lhedbor at attbi.com>
To: <PBLoomis at aol.com>
Cc: <hist-brewing at pbm.com>; <CALON-BREW at CRCVMS.UNL.EDU>;
<sca_brew at yahoogroups.com>; <SCA-Meridian-Brewers at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: hist-brewing: Kumiss

> I have an article in the current issue of Zymurgy that briefly discusses
> koumiss.  In the course of researching that article, I came across little
> the way of specifics about yeast -- likely whatever wild yeasts were
> in the fermentation containers and in the environment of the Asian
> The yeast involved is quite unlikely to be S. cerevisiae, as there is very
> little sucrose or glucose present in any (untreated) milk, and most (all?)
> standard brewing yeasts lack the ability to consume lactose directly.
> Perhaps a dairy yeast, such as Kluyveromyces lactis, from which lactase
> drops are derived?
> As for mare's milk, I could find no citations for commercial availability
> the Web -- but then, I was not searching in the spring.  Given the science
> that's been applied to analyzing mare's milk -- and likely the
> too -- you should have little trouble scaring up some research that would
> give you a good indication of the presence of suitable fermentable sugars.
> I have a sense from my research that koumiss is probably quite closely
> to the Scandinavian filmilk, which is a thin, yogurt-like beverage.  Not
> much alcohol, but there may be a low level of carbonation due to a slowly
> progressing fermentation.
> Best of luck -- do let me know what you come up with.  I have a lingering
> intellectual curiosity about the topic...
> - Lars D. H. Hedbor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <PBLoomis at aol.com>
> To: <hist-brewing at pbm.com>; <CALON-BREW at CRCVMS.UNL.EDU>;
> <sca_brew at yahoogroups.com>; <SCA-Meridian-Brewers at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:13 PM
> Subject: hist-brewing: Kumiss
> >     Has anybody tried making kumiss?
> >     Some non-brewing friends of mine have inquired about brewing kumiss:
> >
> > > Scotti, I'm wondering if it might be worthwhile to brew up a batch of
> > >  kumiss from the substitute ("foal's milk") anyway, in order to get
> > >  process straight. Since it's unlikely that we'll get our hands on the
> real
> > >  thing until next spring (Nature and Nurture- most mares foal in early
> > >  spring) it might help us make sure we don't waste what we do get, if
> > >  we get some.
> > >
> >     I told them I had no idea whether the synthetic would ferment the
> > way as the Real Thing, and that further I had no idea what yeast to use.
> >
> >     Scotti
> >
> >     Knowledge is never wasted, nor is the time to acquire it.
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