hist-brewing: Re: hist-brewing digest, Vol 1 #68 - 8 msgs

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Sat Mar 30 17:33:21 PST 2002


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>    1. Re: wine quart (Dan McFeeley)
>    2. Fwd: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart (Charles wettergreen)
>    3. Re: Fwd: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart (Barnacle Bill)
>    4. Re: Fwd: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart (Pug Bainter)
>    5. Re: wine quart (PBLoomis at aol.com)
>    6. Re: wine quart (Tim Bray)
>    7. Re: Fwd: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart (Charles wettergreen)
>    8. Re: Fwd: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart (Charles wettergreen)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Dan McFeeley" <mcfeeley at keynet.net>
> To: <hist-brewing at pbm.com>
> Cc: "Charles wettergreen" <chuckwm at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart
> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:24:46 -0600
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> On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Chuck Wettergreen wrote:
>
> > Doesn't much matter what size a wine quart is as long as the
> > wine quart is the same size as the honey quart. If they're the
> > same size, it's a six-to-one volume combination, which would
> > yield an original gravity of approximately 1.080.
>
> Thanks for the info -- for the unlearned among us, would you
> show us how you arrived at that figure?  Not everyone on
> the list may be familiar with working out gravity points and
> conversion figures for honey.  Thanks!
>
> <><><><><><><><><><>
> <><><><><><><><>
> Dan McFeeley
> mcfeeley at keynet.net
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> Message: 2
> From: "Charles wettergreen" <chuckwm at hotmail.com>
> To: hist-brewing at pbm.com
> Subject: Fwd: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart
> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:50:39 -0600
>
> >On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Chuck Wettergreen wrote:
> >
> > > Doesn't much matter what size a wine quart is as long as the
> > > wine quart is the same size as the honey quart. If they're the
> > > same size, it's a six-to-one volume combination, which would
> > > yield an original gravity of approximately 1.080.
>
> And Dan McFeeley asked me:
>
> >Thanks for the info -- for the unlearned among us, would you
> >show us how you arrived at that figure?  Not everyone on
> >the list may be familiar with working out gravity points and
> >conversion figures for honey.  Thanks!
>
> Assuming that a wine quart is the same as an english quart measure, and
> assuming the wine quart is the same volume as a quart of honey, a quart is
> one quarter of a gallon which weighs 12 pounds to the gallon. So one
quarter
> would be 3 pounds, which contributes 45 "gravity points" per pound, or 135
> "points". So you would have 135 points dissolved in a total volumne of 7
> quarts (6 of water and one of honey)(.875 gallon). 135/.875+1=1.154. Holy
> mackeral Batman! How'd I come up with 1.080? :)
>
> Using common sense, which I obviously failed to do in my first post, 3
> pounds of honey in three quarters of a gallon of water has got to yield
> something more than 1.080. 1.154 looks reasonable for this amount of honey
> in this amount of water.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chuck
> meadmaker
> beekeeper
> Geneva, IL
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:21:02 +0000
> To: Charles wettergreen <chuckwm at hotmail.com>
> Cc: hist-brewing at pbm.com
> From: Barnacle Bill <bill at bracewel.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart
>
> In message <LAW2-F78IvhXJ4dErcD00003b4b at hotmail.com>, Charles
> wettergreen <chuckwm at hotmail.com> writes
> >Assuming that a wine quart is the same as an english quart measure, and
> >assuming the wine quart is the same volume as a quart of honey, a quart
> >is one quarter of a gallon which weighs 12 pounds to the gallon.
>
> This side of the pond "a pint of pure water weighs a pound and a
> quarter"  or 10 lb. to an imperial gallon. does that help your
> calculation? (:-)
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:39:03 -0600
> From: Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net>
> To: Charles wettergreen <chuckwm at hotmail.com>
> Cc: hist-brewing at pbm.com
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart
>
> Charles wettergreen (chuckwm at hotmail.com) said something that sounded
like:
> > So one quarter
> > would be 3 pounds, which contributes 45 "gravity points" per pound, or
135
> > "points". So you would have 135 points dissolved in a total volumne of 7
> > quarts (6 of water and one of honey)(.875 gallon). 135/.875+1=1.154.
Holy
> > mackeral Batman! How'd I come up with 1.080? :)
>
> Uhhh. 7 quarts is 1.75 gallons right? (4 quarts to the gallon)
>
> This would put it just below 1.077.
>
> I prefer a 1.5:3.5 or 1:4 ratio of honey:water. As far as volume. To my
> standards 1:6 would be very week and very dry by the time the yeast
> finished. *shrug*
>
> Ciao,
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> Message: 5
> From: PBLoomis at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:16:41 EST
> Subject: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart
> To: bill at bracewel.demon.co.uk, chuckwm at hotmail.com
> CC: hist-brewing at pbm.com
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> In a message dated 3/27/02 4:23:32 PM Central Standard Time,
> bill at bracewel.demon.co.uk writes:
>
> > This side of the pond "a pint of pure water weighs a pound and a
> >  quarter"  or 10 lb. to an imperial gallon. does that help your
> >  calculation? (:-)
> >
>     Nope.  Out here in the Colonies, we use the US gallon, which is
> the old British wine gallon (231 cu in ?) and smaller than the imperial
> gallon.  From my submarine days, I seem to remember that a US
> gallon weighs 8 lbs, which equates to the jingle "A pint's a pound the
> world around."  Except of course in Jolly Old England.
>     I could be wrong.
>     Scotti
>     Knowledge is never wasted, nor is the time to acquire it.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:55:15 -0800
> To: hist-brewing at pbm.com
> From: Tim Bray <tbray at mcn.org>
> Subject: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart
>
> One US gallon of pure water weighs 8.34 pounds.  If a gallon of honey
> weighs 12 pounds, and if the honey mixes with the water instead of
> dissolving into it, then you end up with the following:
> Final volume = 7 quarts = 1.75 gallons
> Final weight = 1.5*8.34 + .25*12 = 15.5 pounds
> Density = 15.5 pounds/1.75 gallons = 8.86 pounds/gallon
> Gravity =  1 + 8.86/8.34 = 1.06
> (Specific gravity is the ratio of the density of the liquid to the density
> of pure water)
>
> This mix is 2 pounds honey per gallon.  Most people seem to recommend
> closer to 3 pounds per gallon.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Tim
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> Message: 7
> From: "Charles wettergreen" <chuckwm at hotmail.com>
> To: bill at bracewel.demon.co.uk
> Cc: hist-brewing at pbm.com
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart
> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:00:18 -0600
>
> >In message <LAW2-F78IvhXJ4dErcD00003b4b at hotmail.com>, Charles
> >wettergreen <chuckwm at hotmail.com> writes
> >>Assuming that a wine quart is the same as an english quart measure, and
> >>assuming the wine quart is the same volume as a quart of honey, a quart
> >>is one quarter of a gallon which weighs 12 pounds to the gallon.
>
> And Barnacle Bill <bill at bracewel.demon.co.uk> answered:
>
> >This side of the pond "a pint of pure water weighs a pound and a
> >quarter"  or 10 lb. to an imperial gallon. does that help your
> >calculation? (:-)
>
> Actually no, it doesn't, since we're dealing with a volume calculation,
not
> a weight calculation (except to come up with the gravity contribution of a
> given volume of honey).
>
> Chuck
>
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> Message: 8
> From: "Charles wettergreen" <chuckwm at hotmail.com>
> To: pug at pug.net
> Cc: hist-brewing at pbm.com
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: hist-brewing: wine quart
> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:17:14 -0600
>
> It took Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> little time to figure out how I *really*
> got to 1.080.
>
> I guess this brain fart shows me I *really* need to take some time
off...:)
>
> The *first* time I got the same result as Pug, but rounded up to 1.080,
> figuring that the quart of honey dissolved would contribute slightly less
> than one quart in volume, thus slightly raising the OG. Sorry to lead
> everyone down such a tortuous path to the result. :)
>
> Chuck
>
> PS. And thank you Dan for totally exposing my alzeimers. :)
>
> >Charles wettergreen (chuckwm at hotmail.com) said something that sounded
like:
> > > So one quarter
> > > would be 3 pounds, which contributes 45 "gravity points" per pound, or
> >135
> > > "points". So you would have 135 points dissolved in a total volumne of
7
> > > quarts (6 of water and one of honey)(.875 gallon). 135/.875+1=1.154.
> >Holy
> > > mackeral Batman! How'd I come up with 1.080? :)
> >
> >Uhhh. 7 quarts is 1.75 gallons right? (4 quarts to the gallon)
> >
> >This would put it just below 1.077.
>
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